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Post by happyshad on Jul 5, 2012 13:01:40 GMT -4
I need to replace numerous copper split rings on my older Rapalas. Does anybody have any or a source where I can buy them?
Thanks!
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Post by jmcfish10101973 on Jul 5, 2012 19:13:52 GMT -4
hi it's john how many do you need i will look to see if i have any for you
john
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Post by omigosh on Jul 5, 2012 21:29:41 GMT -4
This one's got me baffled. I have catalogs from every major lure making supplier in the US and I can't find copper split rings in any of them. Some brass ones. Mostly stainless steel and carbon steel.
The two main suppliers I deal with are Hagens- hagenfish.com , & Jann's Netcraft- jannsnetcraft.com .
For smaller quantities I have also dealt with Rollie & Helen's Musky Shop- muskyshop.com
Are you sure they are copper? That seems like a very soft metal to make split rings. I wouldn't think that they would hold their shape. I could very well be wrong, but could they be brass?
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Post by bacon on Jul 5, 2012 22:22:07 GMT -4
how old are these lures, and this is kinda important...
years ago i learned a little about rapalas early history in america, but over the years im getting rusty on the exact details, but heres what i can remember.
at one point rapala had received several complaints about lures failing, and they contemplated what to do, it wasnt until they started to get stories of NEW lures failing that they had to really look into what was going on. a used lure might fail for many reasons, but new lures failing could be a huge problem. during the investigation, they were finding that the new lures, and many of the used lures were failing at the nose of the bait, under the wood, causing the ring, and a small part of the inner wire to pull out of the lure. this break in the wire looked like it had burned apart, think burned out filament in a light bulb. what they found was that the metals used ( this is where i get a little foggy one just how this worked),i think it was a combination of 3 metals, like copper ring, bronze wire and steel hooks, or some similar combination that was causing a sort of chemical reaction almost like an electrical charge and was burning the wire into pieces. they changed part of the manufacturing process to fix the problem, and the rest is history. i wish i knew what i had done with my notes from that day so i knew for sure what happened and when it did. i think that they started to use the bronze rings at that time to fix it. but like i said, its fuzzy.
so, copper might not be good if your planning to fish those old lures, it might cost you a fish and a lures. but my memory being fuzzy, copper might be the right rings and something else was the problem...
even after all these years of lure collecting, i have still not taken a lot of notice of the hardware on many of these lures to notice what there made of, one of those little things that has slipped by me i guess. im going to have to do a little more looking into this and see if i can spark some memory.
bacon
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Post by jmcfish10101973 on Jul 6, 2012 4:13:10 GMT -4
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Post by omigosh on Jul 6, 2012 10:53:22 GMT -4
I would just warn that if you plan to fish with split rings from an art supply store, be mindful that they may not be as durable as traditional rings. The tackle supply shops have warnings printed about using jewelry rated split rings. If they are for display, no harm no foul.
Just don't want you to lose a trophy. My only lure failures in all my years of fishing was split ring being straightened by a large fish and broken hooks.
Way to think outside the box John. I didn't think about craft shops. I should have though because I often buy beads and jewelry making tools to make some of my lures.
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Post by munkin on Jan 23, 2013 21:43:02 GMT -4
I know I saw these in one of my catalogs, Hagensfish or Lakeland?
Allen
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Post by cdj711 on Jan 24, 2013 7:17:31 GMT -4
Hi all.
Well, i am quite sure we had this wire story on here before, and i think to remember that it was a problem of the wire going through the lure. On really old rapala you will usually find some kind of rust on hooks, split rings, and/or wire even if these have never been in water. One explanation may be the lures were not dried out well after tank testing and put in boxes to rust away. Remember these days in the 1960s when rapala were so highly sought after that the factory was not able to make enough of them? It could have been they were put in the box just after the tank test. Or it may be the moisture in air which is significantly higher in some places. I have seen badly faded and discoloured CLNs coming from Thailand in perfectly closed boxes.
Jeff I think you are remembering correctly that it was a chemical reaction problem, but I think to remember it was the wire not the split rings. And I am quite sure these split rings are copper plated and not solid copper; as mentioned, these would be much too weak.
I guess this is all coming from the early days when stainless steel was extremely expensive and hard to handle; and the stainless steel they made back in the 1950s and 60s was not that much stainless after all. You can not compare with todays stuff. Anyway, as far as I remember, rapala changed the wire and problem was solved.
On the bigger lures, especially magnums, they used zinc to prevent rust; and sometimes you see J-13s labelled “saltwater” or “jointed magnum” because on some of them they also put the zinc plated hooks and split rings.
Still, nothing made from iron is really 100% stainless, and I think the copper plating of split rings was an economic way more than 50 years ago to get some kind of rust-proof material for use in water.
And I fully agree that the 30+ yo rapala need a copper (colored) split ring to look right.
Best,
Wolfgang
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Post by happyshad on Feb 1, 2013 12:53:31 GMT -4
Just being a fanatic at duplication, I want original old copper split rings from Rapala to put on my vintage lures. Was just hoping that someone had a couple hundred of them lying around.  Thanks guys for the help!  |
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Post by walter on Feb 13, 2013 19:08:21 GMT -4
how old are these lures, and this is kinda important... years ago i learned a little about rapalas early history in america, but over the years im getting rusty on the exact details, but heres what i can remember. at one point rapala had received several complaints about lures failing, and they contemplated what to do, it wasnt until they started to get stories of NEW lures failing that they had to really look into what was going on. a used lure might fail for many reasons, but new lures failing could be a huge problem. during the investigation, they were finding that the new lures, and many of the used lures were failing at the nose of the bait, under the wood, causing the ring, and a small part of the inner wire to pull out of the lure. this break in the wire looked like it had burned apart, think burned out filament in a light bulb. what they found was that the metals used ( this is where i get a little foggy one just how this worked),i think it was a combination of 3 metals, like copper ring, bronze wire and steel hooks, or some similar combination that was causing a sort of chemical reaction almost like an electrical charge and was burning the wire into pieces. they changed part of the manufacturing process to fix the problem, and the rest is history. i wish i knew what i had done with my notes from that day so i knew for sure what happened and when it did. i think that they started to use the bronze rings at that time to fix it. but like i said, its fuzzy. so, copper might not be good if your planning to fish those old lures, it might cost you a fish and a lures. but my memory being fuzzy, copper might be the right rings and something else was the problem... even after all these years of lure collecting, i have still not taken a lot of notice of the hardware on many of these lures to notice what there made of, one of those little things that has slipped by me i guess. im going to have to do a little more looking into this and see if i can spark some memory. bacon  this is galvanic corrosion. and can also happen with some steel wires, so it's important to check them before use!!! |
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