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Post by walleye72 on Feb 27, 2012 16:07:01 GMT -4
New to Rapalanation.com! I found a few of the Rapala Shallow Shad Rap 7 in the Clown color silver plated. I've only started collecting about a year ago and I don't know much about these. I looked on ebay and havn't found any listed. Are these lures somewhat rare? They have the older style hanging tab with the square hole in it and the lure description on the hanging tag. How much might they be worth to a serious collector. I know that the clown color is a very popular color on Ebay with buyers/collectors. I'm not planning on selling them I would like to get as much info as I can. The model code is SSR-7 CLN. How old might this version be? Thanks!!
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Post by bulldog21 on Feb 27, 2012 22:50:44 GMT -4
I think you are planing on selling them. $50+ is way too much by the way......  |
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Post by bacon on Feb 27, 2012 23:30:06 GMT -4
well, bulldog, i do agree with you, this post lays the groundwork of a sale, askes the right questions and shrugs it off as just being curious about it. anyone who notes important collecting info like older hang tag ect already know what they are looking for. the fact they used the same name to post it on ebay for $50 is a poor example of how to fish for buyers via the "these are my lures/not for sale" ploy. (pun intended). as soon as i read the post i knew it was fishy (intended again).
however...
the fact that new comers to the nation try stuff like this could be attributed to some members negative stance at people asking for values of lures they intended on selling. not necessarily in this case, but who knows. it seems like anytime someone does ask for info and pricing, there is either a paranoid reaction about them only finding out so they can sell it on ebay (just like everyone else) or someone gives them a somewhat outrageous overvaluation. neither are a big deal, but just honestly being helpful no matter the outcome or intention isnt a big deal either. the beautiful thing about ebay and lure prices is simply this. everything is only worth what people are willing to pay for it. or in the case of ebay auctions... what two or more people are willing to pay for it. so no matter what someone askes here(or for that matter, what they hear/read here either) compared to what shows up on ebay is really irrelevant. i hope he get what he wants for them, and if he does, i hope i find a tucked away little place that also has some left on the peg too. but, yeah, $50 is way over the top, $25 maybe...
bacon
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Post by bacon on Feb 27, 2012 23:32:55 GMT -4
oops, sorry bulldog, after rereading that last message, it looks like i was directing the whole post at you. i was only saying that i agreed with your post, after that, my post was directed to the who nation, not just you. hope it doesnt come off that way, but if it did, im sorry, wasnt inteded that way.
bacon
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Post by bulldog21 on Feb 27, 2012 23:49:03 GMT -4
I honestly do not understand everything you just typed, but I think I get the gist of it....
I think that coming to Rapalanation, asking what the value of a pretty common lure is, saying you are not looking to sell, and then selling on EBAY is ridiculous. Maybe if you have contributed to RN before, it would be acceptable.
It would be one thing if you are looking to sell it to a member on the site. I thought RN was a site for people who love Rapala lures, want to learn more about Rapala fishing lures, and misc lure information. That is what I am here for... I am pretty sure that Ted doesn't want ebay to be a main topic of RN anyway. That is why he moved it to the very bottom of the website and locked it from guests so they can not post in it.
Also, I think you, bacon, are showing some double standards when it comes to things like this. You started the thread "you've got to be F-ing kidding me" which bad mouthed the guy listing a custom painted lure. I do not believe that is what RN should be known for. It shows a level of unprofessionalism.
Figured I can have an opinion too...My 2 cents...
-"bulldog"
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Post by bacon on Feb 28, 2012 1:14:20 GMT -4
I think that coming to Rapalanation, asking what the value of a pretty common lure is, saying you are not looking to sell, and then selling on EBAY is ridiculous. Maybe if you have contributed to RN before, it would be acceptable. It would be one thing if you are looking to sell it to a member on the site. I thought RN was a site for people who love Rapala lures, want to learn more about Rapala fishing lures, and misc lure information. That is what I am here for... I am pretty sure that Ted doesn't want ebay to be a main topic of RN anyway. That is why he moved it to the very bottom of the website and locked it from guests so they can not post in it. Also, I think you, bacon, are showing some double standards when it comes to things like this. You started the thread "you've got to be F-ing kidding me" which bad mouthed the guy listing a custom painted lure. I do not believe that is what RN should be known for. It shows a level of unprofessionalism. Figured I can have an opinion too...My 2 cents... -"bulldog" The nation sprouted up and thrived because of ebay, of course its not the main focus, but nearly every member on here links to ebay items, really to the point of being a form of marketing to a targeted audience. its not hidden, it is members only, but its still a major draw when it comes to recruiting new members to the site, and some do just come for a post here or there for ebay only types of posts. to declare what 'ebay' posts are acceptable or unacceptable based on post count is pointless. the notion that lures sold to nation members holds a superiority over lures sold on ebay is false. all it does is makes it sound like as long as you come here and are willing to sell members your lures at the prices the 'members' tell you is FMV, thats fine, just dont go looking to ebay to see if you can get more. dont get me wrong. i know this is not the case, but it can make it look that way to an outsider. its not hard to see trends in some of the buyers on here though. anytime someone lists a lure/group of lures up for sale, there pm box lites up in twenty minutes with every junkie on here trying to be the first to get to it, and more then once you can tell who got to it first because a few weeks later they suddenly have it for sale on ebay or to other nation members. if you check the completed ebay listings, sometimes you even find where someone got a good deal on an item only minutes after it was posted, so to the victors, go the spoils on the nation as it does on ebay. a nice kit of 4 lures is worth $35, unless you can resell it for $100. alot of members are full blown lure brokers, i have been there, done that. i know how the game works, i know how competative sellers get with each other trying to be the first to the goods and cut throat with pricing. and i have seen guys let this spill over on the nation, and its predecessor, and its predecessors predecessor. its not new. it will continue. so the next time someone offers up a really cool rare piece for sale at a lower then market price, know that if you dont get it, there will be another chance. there almost always is. as far as my double standard so to speak. my "F-ING" post was really done in good fun. the custom lures industry on ebay has gotten pretty big, and these lures were definitely all together different then the norm. my post wasnt scrutinizing the seller for listing it, it was letting the nation see a unorthodox custom lure, and tryed to put a humorous slant on it. i was indeed surprised to see what it brought on auction, considering i won a beautiful skis custom lure for the same price a week before, i thought it was going to be a flop, but buyers proved otherwise. i realize that sarcasm and humor sometimes do not convert well to typed though. so i can see how some might think that i was rippin the guy, he clearly wasnt breaking any copywrite laws when he customized those lures, purely original, hard to rip on him for that. this is the internet after all, not professional in any sense. my opinion is that all members (new or veteran) can contribute in whatever fashion they want, posting a false question is fine, but then dont expect a warm welcome when you come back out, but to just come out and ask for info, including price, regaurdless of final intention is no sin, and frankly should be incouraged. it is the members and lure brokers of this site that have the best handle on prices and values, there is no collectors guide. it is us. if you dont like a person to post an item thats not for sale, only to sell it one ebay, post a link and call out the newbie, dont just sneak in a snippy comment and put a dunce cap on it. just my opinion. bacon |
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Post by bulldog21 on Feb 28, 2012 2:19:17 GMT -4
Lol, pretty sure I did call him out. Next time I will make sure and post the link.
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Post by Jcbyrne on Feb 28, 2012 9:26:45 GMT -4
We have gone through this before, who cares what he is selling it for !
Hope he gets 50.00 for it.
When someone asks a value give your opinion, if you dont like what they list it for move on !
If it is your opinion that it is to high dont buy it !
What is this calling people out ? good way to keep new people from posting.
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Post by Fishooked on Feb 28, 2012 10:28:06 GMT -4
I see both sides of this argument here. I'm not sure where I stand on this though.
I used to think that accumulating members, posts, and traffic was a good thing. Now I'm not so sure.
What good is having 2000 members on here if 90% of them have 1 post or no posts? If I deleted every member here that has zero posts, I would bet we would barely have 300 members.
I get that this place is used as a resource, but this isn't really an ebay site, its a Rapala site. If wanted this to be an ebay site I should just delete the board and just start a topic on an ebay discussion board.
This is why I've added a lot more 'fishing related' topics here, with limited success.
I don't really know how to curtail this problem of 'fly-by-night' posters, and I honestly don't have the time or energy.
Maybe you won't be allowed to post your auctions in the ebay section unless you reach a certain post count. And if its not adhered to then I'll just start deleting posts. I could also change the entire board so that you cannot view any topics unless you register - but then that would just create a glut of more users to register once and are never seen or heard of.
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Post by walleye72 on Feb 28, 2012 16:29:53 GMT -4
I FIND 4 OF THESE LURES FOR MY COLLECTION AND DECIDE TO SELL THE ONE THAT HAS A CRACK IN THE CASE AND KEEP THE BEST ONES AND THIS CAUSES SO MUCH DISCUSSION? REALLY? AS FAR AS EBAY GOES, IF YOU WOULD HAVE PAYED MORE ATTENTION, IT IS LISTED $45 OR BEST OFFER!!!! YOU REALLY DON'T EXPECT SOMEONE TO LIST IT AT $25 OR BEST OFFER JUST TO GET OFFERS FOR LESS THEN $25 WHEN $25 IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT OF IT? WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO DO THAT NOW WOULD IT? I COULD CARE LESS IF IT SELLS OR NOT!! ANYONE HERE THAT CLAIMS NEVER TO HAVE BOUGHT AND SOLD LURES AND MADE A LITTLE MONEY ALONG THE WAY ARE MORE THAN LIKELY FULL OF SHYT!! I HAVE BEEN COLLECTING FOR ONLY A FEW MONTHS AND I THOUGHT THIS SITE WOULD BE A GOOD RESOURCE FOR LEARNING MORE ABOUT LURE COLLECTING. WHAT I HAVE QUICKLY LEARNED IS THAT THERE ARE ALOT OF OPINIONATED, JUDGEMENTAL, KNOW IT ALL A**H***S ON THIS SITE!!  |
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Post by walleye72 on Feb 28, 2012 16:39:27 GMT -4
DID YOU EVER STOP AND THINK THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE SO MANY ONE TIME POSTS IS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE NEW MEMBERS ARE TREATED, JUDGED UNFARELY AND CRITICIZED? THANKS BUT NO THANKS!!!!  |
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Post by bulldog21 on Feb 28, 2012 17:03:04 GMT -4
New members that are here to take part in conversations are not treated in a bad way. They never have been. I myself have welcomed many many many new members into the community. Your post was great until you listed the lure on ebay. Then I said something, which started the whole thing.
You did not initially list it as a best offer. You just modified it before you posted on here to make me / the nation look bad. Revisions can be seen as well as the time you did it on the auction. Please stop lying.
I am done with this conversation and the site as a whole for a while. I'd rather fish and live life than argue about a new member.
-bulldog
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Post by bacon on Feb 28, 2012 18:10:57 GMT -4
on the whole, new members are not treated unfairly, many times they come to get an opinion or info and then move on due to any number of reasons. some do stay, and its great, but it is also very sad when they leave, or worse yet, lose valueable veterans.
there have obviously been some questionable statements made, and some half truths, but i believe all of this could have been easily solved with some questions and patience. i am not blame free, i know that, and i do feel bad for how this shook out, but, there are lessons learned for all of us, and for all future nation members.
bacon
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Post by walleye72 on Feb 28, 2012 19:06:30 GMT -4
My Ebay listing was first posted yesterday afternoon at approx 8:30 pm cst. and had a buy in now or best offer of $49. That is exactly how it was listed to begin with and is still how it is listed except for the price. I changed that price to $45 earlier this afternoon. To assume that the price was changed to make you look bad is simply rediculas!! I have sold a few lures on Ebay in the last few months but prior to that we sold mostly clothing. My method of lure collecting is this!! If I find only one I will buy it and move on. If I find two or more of any lure that I want to add to my collection, I will buy them. I will pick out the best ones and sell the others. Most of the time I can sell the ones I don't want to keep and get my money back or even make a little extra when its all said and done. Which in the end, makes the vast majority of my lure collection free!! That in my opinion is smart collecting! My inquiry as to how rare the lures are or how much they might be worth was intended to try and find out what a reasonable value would be, from people I hoped would know and be willing to help, thus helping me continue what I call my smart lure collecting plan. I am new to collecting. I am not new to selling though. I have had a sport shop here in town for a couple years and up until a few months ago didn't get into the collecting side of it. I have since become interested and have started. Everyone has to start somewhere!!! I'm just trying to expand my knowledge of collecting! Thats all!! I appologize for getting off on the wrong foot! I very seldom make assumptions or jump to conclusions about someone. Unfortunately, not everyone follows that same line of thought.  |
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Post by 007fishfingers on Feb 28, 2012 20:22:23 GMT -4
first i would like to welcome walleye72 to rapalanation, ive watched whats going on and it makes me sad to see bad feeling from what seems to me to be a miss understanding, i also buy lures in bulk if thats what it takes to get the one i want , then sell the others, im sure many of us do that, when i joined there was just 293 members, and i cant remember anyone having a bad word, come on guys we are all fishermen and rapala lovers here , many of us make good friends here from all over the world, i know i have, i hate to see rapalanation going down this path of falling out, please guys just shake and start again,  |
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Post by happyshad on Feb 28, 2012 23:08:12 GMT -4
Are these lures somewhat rare? How much might they be worth to a serious collector. How old might this version be? Hello walleye72, welcome to the nation. 1. Yes, they are somewhat rare, but not impossible to get. 2. They might be worth @ $12 to $18 or trade for an SB, Holographic or another SSR7 (or similar value lure) from the same genre to a serious collector. Maybe selling one overseas might fetch more. 3. I believe the last time they made one was @ 10 years ago. Which Rapalas do you collect? I or somebody else here may be looking to trade. |
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Post by bacon on Feb 29, 2012 9:52:15 GMT -4
happy shad is right, except on the timing, i was trying to remember just when they came out. i think the clown premiered somewhere in the 1996-1998 area, but would have to dig into some catalogs to know for sure. they were still made up until the clown color was discontinued, and they started switching over to the plastic coated hang tags around 2001-2002. that color has since been 'reactivated', and will be available again on the SSR im sure, however the new ones are not silver plated, just chromed or some other type of silver like surface. some would argue they dont have the same flash and shimmer. as time goes on and people learn the difference, i think we will see the values of the real silver plated lures increase.
bacon
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Post by Fishooked on Feb 29, 2012 16:11:57 GMT -4
I FIND 4 OF THESE LURES FOR MY COLLECTION AND DECIDE TO SELL THE ONE THAT HAS A CRACK IN THE CASE AND KEEP THE BEST ONES AND THIS CAUSES SO MUCH DISCUSSION? REALLY? AS FAR AS EBAY GOES, IF YOU WOULD HAVE PAYED MORE ATTENTION, IT IS LISTED $45 OR BEST OFFER!!!! YOU REALLY DON'T EXPECT SOMEONE TO LIST IT AT $25 OR BEST OFFER JUST TO GET OFFERS FOR LESS THEN $25 WHEN $25 IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT OF IT? WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO DO THAT NOW WOULD IT? I COULD CARE LESS IF IT SELLS OR NOT!! ANYONE HERE THAT CLAIMS NEVER TO HAVE BOUGHT AND SOLD LURES AND MADE A LITTLE MONEY ALONG THE WAY ARE MORE THAN LIKELY FULL OF SHYT!! I HAVE BEEN COLLECTING FOR ONLY A FEW MONTHS AND I THOUGHT THIS SITE WOULD BE A GOOD RESOURCE FOR LEARNING MORE ABOUT LURE COLLECTING. WHAT I HAVE QUICKLY LEARNED IS THAT THERE ARE ALOT OF OPINIONATED, JUDGEMENTAL, KNOW IT ALL A**H***S ON THIS SITE!!  I have banned people from this site for a lot less than the bullshit I have just seen you post here. How dare you make the presumption to know anything about anyone on this site, when you have just joined here like 5 minutes ago? The reason we do have a lot of zero post and single posts users isn't because they are mistreated or berated; its usually because: >they are lure hounds looking to score a deal >find out more about lures they scored or are planning to score for resale purposes >find out what's hot so they can cash in, whether they are new releases, or old spiking up in value And why exactly did you sign up again? Furthermore it seems that regardless of any advice anyone gives here, folks are doing to put their own 'Buy It Now' price on their lures regardless. Personally I think 45.00 is a ridiculous price, but Im sure there is someone out there that will pay it. But it sets ridiculous precedents for other people looking to purchase the same lure. I am about this close to deleting the entire ebay section of this site, and deleting any future posts I see referencing it, or any linking to it. Only now do I see why some other collecting sites don't allow it. And that's the other thing - discussing money is getting as bad as politics or religion lately. This is exactly why I have attempted to (without much success) to try to slant this site to fishing with these lures rather than collecting them. The collecting game has an ugly side to it that frankly I don't want to deal with, because there's money involved, and some folks will do whatever it takes to get their hands on whatever they need. Unfortunately I lost a good moderator of this fiasco already which upsets me even more. Makes me wonder why I bother with this site anymore.  |
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Post by Fishooked on Feb 29, 2012 16:29:14 GMT -4
I modified the original title and I am moving this 'General Conversation' for now.
Hopefully this will help everyone understand why the ebay is going away-temporarily. Or maybe permanently.
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