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Post by fishing_in_israel on Aug 17, 2009 6:17:11 GMT -4
I have noticed on a couple of the Rapala 'How2TV' videos that when they are using a heavy mono line, a very small knot is used. It's not the standard Rapala knot but a modified one.
It can be seen on the 'Glidin' Rap' clip and also on this YouTube clip (it's in Spanish?):
Anway, can someone give some more details?
Blessings,
Nigel
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Post by walter on Aug 17, 2009 9:06:11 GMT -4
yes, it's spanish. i'm quite sure i saw a similar knot in an italian magazine or site, i will look for it
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Post by fishing_in_israel on Aug 21, 2009 3:35:48 GMT -4
Hi Walter. Did you find anything yet?
Anybody else know something about this knot?
Blessings,
Nigel
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Post by walter on Aug 31, 2009 19:58:21 GMT -4
sorry, i didn't find it on italian sites. i think i will look into some old magazines, i'm pretty sure i read something about it or a similar knot
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Post by fishing_in_israel on Aug 31, 2009 21:24:41 GMT -4
Thanks Walter.
It looks like a knot that would be useful for heavier mono lines.
I'd still like to know more about it though.
Nigel
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Post by walter on Sept 10, 2009 12:06:59 GMT -4
sorry if i write this only now, i'm quite busy these days. i made a photo to the page where they talk about it (it's 1600*1200). the text is in italian, and they are referring to light tackle (0.16-0.20 mm line and 3-5 cm lures). if you wish, i can try to translate it to english this is the image img42.imageshack.us/img42/408/p9100001.jpgi hope this can be useful to you. if you have any questions, just tell me (if i don't answer immediately, the next time i login i'll answer)  |
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Post by fishing_in_israel on Sept 11, 2009 5:40:14 GMT -4
sorry if i write this only now, i'm quite busy these days. i made a photo to the page where they talk about it (it's 1600*1200). the text is in italian, and they are referring to light tackle (0.16-0.20 mm line and 3-5 cm lures). if you wish, i can try to translate it to english this is the image img42.imageshack.us/img42/408/p9100001.jpgi hope this can be useful to you. if you have any questions, just tell me (if i don't answer immediately, the next time i login i'll answer) Thanks Walter. That really is clear from the photo. If you could translate the important parts i would really appreciate it - as would others I'm sure Nigel |
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Post by walter on Sept 15, 2009 5:58:45 GMT -4
ok, i'm here!!! this is the translation... at least, what i tried to do (my english is simply obscene  if someone can please provide some corrections, it would be great) free swim the loop link allows the long cast's ring to move freely without hitting the knot's resistance. in comparison to the classic stiff knot, the swim of the lure earns in freedom of moving. in the drawing, the steps to actualize the loop knot. starting from the top, you make a normal loop and then pass the line inside the ring of the lure. you take again the line and make it passing inside the loop. the free part of line must then be turned inside the line that goes to the reel making another loop. now you tighten the knot by pulling the line on the free side. this way a gap is formed, which must be long at least a couple of cm. --- i hope this can be useful. |
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Post by fishing_in_israel on Sept 15, 2009 10:37:25 GMT -4
ok, i'm here!!! this is the translation... at least, what i tried to do (my english is simply obscene if someone can please provide some corrections, it would be great) free swim the loop link allows the long cast's ring to move freely without hitting the knot's resistance. in comparison to the classic stiff knot, the swim of the lure earns in freedom of moving. in the drawing, the steps to actualize the loop knot. starting from the top, you make a normal loop and then pass the line inside the ring of the lure. you take again the line and make it passing inside the loop. the free part of line must then be turned inside the line that goes to the reel making another loop. now you tighten the knot by pulling the line on the free side. this way a gap is formed, which must be long at least a couple of cm. --- i hope this can be useful. Quite a good translation - easy to understand, which is the point of a translation Did the article say anything about line diameter - is the knot intended for heavier mono or can it be used for lighter grades as well? Blessings and thanks, Nigel |
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Post by walter on Sept 15, 2009 10:51:34 GMT -4
this article was referred to very small lures (3 - 5 cm), and light lines (0.16 - 0.18 mm). but i think you can try also with bigger diameters. you can try to tie that knot on a barrel swivel using a thick line, and then attach the swivel to a net, or something big (and cheap  ) and pull the line until it breaks, to see how it behaves under load. not a "clean" way for testing, but it works |
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Post by fishing_in_israel on Sept 16, 2009 9:40:13 GMT -4
this article was referred to very small lures (3 - 5 cm), and light lines (0.16 - 0.18 mm). but i think you can try also with bigger diameters. you can try to tie that knot on a barrel swivel using a thick line, and then attach the swivel to a net, or something big (and cheap ) and pull the line until it breaks, to see how it behaves under load. not a "clean" way for testing, but it works I'm definitely going to give this knot some testing. Thanks again for the photo and translation. Blessings, Nigel |
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Post by walter on Sept 18, 2009 9:01:54 GMT -4
please let us know about your results, thanks!
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Post by fishing_in_israel on Sept 18, 2009 11:34:32 GMT -4
please let us know about your results, thanks! I did some simple, non-scientific, tests. I made a double loop knot on one end and the 'no-name' knot, as described in the Italian mag, on the other. I then pulled until the weakest knot let go. I then did the same again with a new piece of line and the standard Rapala knot. This was with 6 lb test. I repeated the above steps using 15 lb test. In both cases the Rapala knot is stronger (but not stronger than the double loop knot). I then tried the knot according to the YouTube video clip [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUCOnT00fJE], which is slightly different, and it is stronger -- about the same as the original Rapala knot. Maybe other would care to experiment....... I just retied the YouTube no-name knot and a double loop knot on the other end and the no-name knot is stronger! Which makes it stronger than the original Rapala knot. This was using both the 6 lb and 15 lb test line. Nigel |
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