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Post by Fishooked on May 21, 2010 12:17:31 GMT -4
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Post by walleye270 on May 21, 2010 15:14:12 GMT -4
As far as I know, fluorocarbon is supposed to be almost invisible under water (to fish) where mono isn't. I'm not sure if thats the only difference (besides the price tag) or not. Hopefully someone has more insight on this.
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Post by cdj711 on May 21, 2010 15:28:39 GMT -4
Hi.
first of all, it is not invisible, but it is less visible than mono.
the difference may not be that big, but i have switched to fluoro as a leader material for fly fishing many years ago, and use it now in over 90% of cases. even with dry flies, and yes, i know fluoro is supposed to sink while mono is supposed to float ...
the first one i bought in sweden 12 y ago.
the early stuff was quite stiff; my next one was berkley vanish, and i use this up to date in most situations cause it can be had very cheap.
i have 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 20, 30, 60, and 100 lbs vanish in stock.
dont worry about the BS they give on the spools. 2 y ago i have caught a 26 in. rainbow on the 4 lbs vanish without any problems, and the 6 lbs vanish is very strong, i use for all my streamer fishing and never was broken. i think they underrated this tremendously.
one day i may do a test to see what LB this stuff can hold.
i think berkley and many others are in the third or 4th generation fluoro now. some are good and some are bad.
the best i have seen so far was the 60 lbs my guide gave me as leader for my tarpon. this was some really soft stuff and it had no visible damage after the fight.
unfortunately, i have no idea what brand it was.
so if you have any idea where to get 50 or 60 lbs soft fluoro, please let me know.
many people here are using it for pike fishing now, but i dont know if it can hold a big one. it is much better than steel leader when it comes to visibility. especially in sweden in very clear water i got the feeling that pike do not bite because they see the wire leader.
i will try out a little when i get back up there ...
as for stretch i would say all hard fluoro will have less stretch than mono, but i never tested this. the same for braking strength; one of the biggest problems of early fluoro was braking. but i get the impression, it depends a lot on what knots you are using.
some knots do not hold well in fluro.
most of the time i use a non-slip mono loop which could best be described as a scaled down version of the rapala knot. in my fishing when i break off, it usually happens at the connection of the leader material with the end of my fly leader and not at the tie in point of the fly.
best,
wolfgang
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Post by catfreak on May 21, 2010 16:05:26 GMT -4
The differences are pretty simple.
1) Fluoro has virtually no stretch compared to a lot of stretch in mono.
2) Fluoro is more abrasion resistant than mono, which is why you can catch pike and such on fluoro without too many problems.
3) Fluoro is nearly invisible underwater, whereas mono can be highly visible in clear water.
It sounds like fluoro is better on all fronts, but it really depends on what you are fishing for and how you are fishing. For example, if you are jigging for walleye you will often want to use fluoro because the low stretch allows for high sensitivity, and it gives you a good hook set.
But if you are using a swim bait with a stiffer tip on your rod, you want to use mono. This is because when a fish hits the bait, if your line has no stretch you will pull many more baits out on the set, and you won't land as many fish.
I personally use fluoro very often. Always for trout, and usually for walleye as well. As a matter of fact, I was down fishing a couple of days ago with 6 lb vanish. I was after walleyes, but I got into a school of nice little cats. I caught a five 6 to 7 lb cats in current. They put up a good fight, but I never had a single problem with my line giving out on me.
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Post by Fishooked on May 21, 2010 16:10:45 GMT -4
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Post by catfreak on May 21, 2010 16:12:47 GMT -4
I should add a few cons as well for fluoro, so they don't come as a surprise if you spool up and encounter them. If you put too much line on your spool, or you are using very light tackle, you can end up with a very bad birds nest. The line can hold memory and spool off together. This gets very annoying but after a couple trips you will learn ways to catch the line with your finger before it nests up too bad. You can have problems at the knot as well. When you are tying the knot just make sure to wet it down before you pull it tight, like you should always do. And a Rapala knot has always worked very well for me. I like either Berkley Vanish or Trilene 100% fluorocarbon. Both are very good lines. That's is everything I can think of right now. If I think of anything else I'll make sure to let ya know. If you try it out let me know how it works for ya. Chris  |
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Post by catfreak on May 21, 2010 16:14:37 GMT -4
Oh yea. As far as diameter, mono will be a little larger. But the difference is very small.
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Post by qbert on May 22, 2010 21:03:08 GMT -4
Flouro sinks so it gets your lures deeper, but makes topwaters lose their correct action. I also have had a lot of problems with line twist. It was impossible to use a jointed without a swivel!!
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Post by catfreak on May 23, 2010 1:14:33 GMT -4
It can tend to sink and that does get annoying. But I haven't had too much of a problem with that lately using Vanish. That would definitely be a big problem if you were using a topwater that you were fishing slowly. If it's a popper or something that you are retrieving fairly quickly there shouldn't be too much of a problem.
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Post by Compre on Jun 9, 2010 17:05:26 GMT -4
I am using floro in all my fishing, not only it is less visible in the water, less abrasive, more sensitive, I feel it is stronger too. As for using floro with stiffer rod. You need to set the drag right, allowing the drag to give up a tad when you set the hook. It is the same principle in using the braided line. All my fishing rods have fast tips, I only have one in Shimano Compre MH baitcast with extra fast tip. When I using it, the first thing I do is to loosen the drag a bit to compensate that stiffness. As for the knots, I always wet it and make a small improved clinch knot after the rapala knot  . it won't change the action of the lures. My recommendation for fishing line is Pline CXPremium and and the Floroclear, I tried Berkley transition line and the Vanish but none come close to Pline.....this is just my 2 cents by the way. Wet the knot before tighten it and you'll be ok. |
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Post by 10tacle on Jun 18, 2010 5:22:09 GMT -4
Well I am right with Wolfgang, but prefer the Grand Max from Riverge for trout fishing in rivers and the sea on the fly rod. Cause it has the right stiffness to handle and for best presentation. Think so...and everybody makes his own experiences.
For Pike leaders in clear waters for trolling and casting jerkbaiting I like the clear Climax FC leader in 40 and the clear 50lb type from Sufix. They're all a little more expensive than other brands, but worth the price.
The problems I know is to tie a durable knot in heavy size FC. Formerly I crimped larger diameters with sleeves but you'll have to protect the sharp edges from the sleeves with shrink tubes, but you have to pay attention in warming cause FC is not very resistant to heat.
Now I am using the perfection loop made fitted with small loops with good experiences. The knot has a yield strength of at least 50% of the given breaking strength, but thats enough for normal fishing in my lakes.
I never tried to fill my spools with a complete FC Line, but maybe I should test it for light rod fishing with the Vanish line.
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Post by shadrap712 on Jun 21, 2010 0:40:46 GMT -4
Spooling your rod with Berkley Vanish is fine if you are using it for trolling only (I do this). I was talking to the R & D department head (for Berkley (Pure Fishing)) and he was telling me that Trilene Flouro was the best for casting as he uses it for bass fishing on lake Okoboji (very clear water). He also felt the line had no down sides.
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Post by fishing_in_israel on Jun 21, 2010 10:04:55 GMT -4
Spooling your rod with Berkley Vanish is fine if you are using it for trolling only (I do this). I was talking to the R & D department head (for Berkley (Pure Fishing)) and he was telling me that Trilene Flouro was the best for casting as he uses it for bass fishing on lake Okoboji (very clear water). He also felt the line had no down sides. I wouldn't mind trying some flouro - it's just so darn expensive! With regards to the head of R & D, I'm sure he is going to say only positive things about a product that he has helped develop and who's company he is working for -- I'm not saying that it isn't any good just saying it's what I would expect him to say. If he wants to send me some to test I would be glad to help and give a completely honest opinion  |
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Post by shadrap712 on Jun 21, 2010 12:33:56 GMT -4
Spooling your rod with Berkley Vanish is fine if you are using it for trolling only (I do this). I was talking to the R & D department head (for Berkley (Pure Fishing)) and he was telling me that Trilene Flouro was the best for casting as he uses it for bass fishing on lake Okoboji (very clear water). He also felt the line had no down sides. I wouldn't mind trying some flouro - it's just so darn expensive! With regards to the head of R & D, I'm sure he is going to say only positive things about a product that he has helped develop and who's company he is working for -- I'm not saying that it isn't any good just saying it's what I would expect him to say. If he wants to send me some to test I would be glad to help and give a completely honest opinion I do understand on how you would think he is selling his product(s). I worked with him for several years and I do get the full story on products. He is a link to Pure Fishing's outlet store. I know they ship but I do not know about shipping international. www.ffo-tackle.com/ |
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Post by fishing_in_israel on Jun 21, 2010 13:25:26 GMT -4
I wouldn't mind trying some flouro - it's just so darn expensive! With regards to the head of R & D, I'm sure he is going to say only positive things about a product that he has helped develop and who's company he is working for -- I'm not saying that it isn't any good just saying it's what I would expect him to say. If he wants to send me some to test I would be glad to help and give a completely honest opinion I do understand on how you would think he is selling his product(s). I worked with him for several years and I do get the full story on products. He is a link to Pure Fishing's outlet store. I know they ship but I do not know about shipping international. www.ffo-tackle.com/Thanks for the link - and yes they do ship international and at reasonable rates! |
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Post by Tom on Jun 22, 2010 9:24:11 GMT -4
do you guys get braid in the states? i use braid for most of my lure fishing as it is much thinner than both fluorocarbon and mono filament, is far more abrasion resistant, and has no stretch what-so-ever. The only drawbacks are the price, and the fact that it takes you an age to cut through.
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Post by fishfingers007 on Jun 22, 2010 18:01:37 GMT -4
do you guys get braid in the states? i use braid for most of my lure fishing as it is much thinner than both fluorocarbon and mono filament, is far more abrasion resistant, and has no stretch what-so-ever. The only drawbacks are the price, and the fact that it takes you an age to cut through. hi  tom, good to see another brit here, i only use braid for lure fishing, but i do salmon and seatrout, i get my braids from the usa as its cheaper , i was using power pro but this season im on diamond braid i got from a bass pro shop, and so far i think its a better line and smaller diameter, your other thread about the doller and sterling, with paypal its changed for you.  |
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Post by Tom on Jun 23, 2010 15:51:49 GMT -4
hola! Do you ever fish for pike? there's no salmon round where i live, its all comercials and carp lakes. i have found a specimen carp lake thats absolutely full of pike, and they average around 15lb, and go up to 25lb! Theres also cats to 50lb, and i saw some guy have a 39lb 5oz out on halibut pellets. trebles are banned from spring till autumn, so im pretty limited lure wise, and can only use soft plastics and jigs  The rapalas will see some use in the winter though, and i bought a glidin rap ready for winter, and it has already caught me 2 fish, and 1 grabbed it as i was jerking it about in the margins to test the action! |
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Post by Tom on Jun 23, 2010 16:13:36 GMT -4
oh, you wanna try those savage gear lures, i caught 3 pike on a 4-play straight away!
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Post by rocfish on Jul 12, 2010 11:10:51 GMT -4
Hello all, Here's 2 cents from someone in Midwest America; I fish lots of different waters, from small forest preserve ponds to large dammed reservoir impoundments to rivers. I, like many, don't fish as often as I want to, but consider myself to have a fair amount of experience, I also sponsor/coach the high school fishing club/tournament team where I teach. My main focus is bass fishing, and here is my take on lines in general; MONOFILAMENT should still have a place in every fisherman's arsenal, it is the best all purpose line for young beginning anglers (using spincast gear) and still has many applications for the seasoned angler, especially when using topwater or floating presentations. It is the cheapest, most forgiving of lines, but can be stretchy or weak in certain applications. FLUOROCARBON in my opinion is a far superior line for most applications of the serious angler. It has a thinner diameter per line strength rating, less stretch, and a greater density and invisibility than mono. Some considerations are proper knot choice, I've had good luck with the Palomar, fishing application, I've had some difficulty with fluoro. memory using spinning gear but it is all I use on my baitcasters, and cost, it can be 2 to 3 times as expensive as comparable mono. My favorite so far is Berkley 100% Tournament Grade, but recently I've been using Vicious Fluorocarbon which is almost as smooth and cast-able. The Berkley is just so expensive, a little over 10 bucks for a 110 yd. spool, where as I can get a 250 yd. spool of the Vicious for the same price. Just to mention BRAID, it does have its applications, especially flipping and pitching heavy cover and lures, but for all around bass fishing I avoid it, as I find it difficult to work with and hard on my gear, although I do love the "Superline" category of braids, such as Fireline Crystal for most of my spinning outfits. It has zero stretch (ultra sensitive), and super thin diameter per line test rating. Sorry for rambling, just trying to get some information out there, it must be the teacher in me. Keep your lines wet, and happy fishing! |
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Post by Beazer on Jul 20, 2010 21:17:15 GMT -4
I recently used PLine's fluorclear.
I used to use Vanish transition and will now be switching over.
I use this setup for trout and wally's and usually run seaguar fluoro leaders for the pike on powerpro braid.
I really like the pLine over vanish due to the softness of it.
On the Bow River up here the trout can be picky and having a good strong fluorocarbon really comes in handy.
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Post by Tom on Dec 31, 2010 11:23:56 GMT -4
Just bought berkley vanish fluorocarbon in 17lb B.S. It was actually quite cheap at just £10 for 200 yards. I have never tried fluorocarbon before, and so far so good, it seems to be very abrasion resistant, even the sharpest scissors struggle to cut through it, and the line feels silky smooth and very consistent. Hopefully i will get to try it out if i go fishing tommorow.
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Post by Tom on Jan 7, 2011 12:52:05 GMT -4
Very impressed with my fluorocarbon, i can cast way further than i ever could with mono, and this stuff really is invisible in water. Im using berkley vanish in 17lb breaking-strain, and couldn't recommend it highly enough.
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