|
|
Post by Fishooked on Oct 25, 2010 13:21:00 GMT -4
Ok folks,
I was brainstorming an idea with one of the customs guys I work with.
If you've seen customs on ebay or wherever, we all know there is no shortage of bass, sunfish, shiner, and shad patterns.
But what about baitfishes in other parts of the world? What is a common baitfish or forage fish where you live - and also what fish targets it?
I'd like to try to come up with some other lure patterns for some customs - but I need international help!
Thanks!
|
|
|
|
Post by Tom on Oct 25, 2010 14:59:52 GMT -4
Here in the UK the main baitfish are:
roach (main prey of pike, zander and perch (although zander and perch prefer smaller roach))
Rudd (similar to roach, but much more rare)
Perch (another favourite of pike, small perch occasionaly eaten by zander and huge perch)
Minnows (completely different to the ones in the US) (main prey of perch and tiny, baby pike)
Gudgeons (similar to minnows)
Ruffe (similar to small perch, although not often eaten by perch except when small)
Bullheads (loved by zander, but occasionally eaten by tiny pike and perch)
Trout (eaten by big pike only)
Chub (eaten only when small by pike)
Bream (eaten when small by pike)
the ones listed above are the main prey of pike perch and zander but loads of other fish are prey fish when first born, for example, baby carp. Pike will eat many strange things like frogs, waterfowl, and mice. Use google images to see any fish you don't know. The zander is basically the british (although not native) walleye, they are very closely related and look almost identical.
|
|
|
|
Post by fishing_in_israel on Oct 25, 2010 15:12:28 GMT -4
Mullet! Preferably in natural colors.
I've noticed baitfish swimming along the breakwaters that look like immature mullet - same gray coloring but with a noticeable black tail.....
|
|
|
|
Post by Fishooked on Oct 25, 2010 15:50:33 GMT -4
Cool - can you guys also post pics or links to pictures of them?
Since I dont live overseas I cant assume which picture matches the geographic location of these fish.thanks!
|
|
|
|
Post by Tom on Nov 1, 2010 17:06:34 GMT -4
|
|
|
|
Post by rocfish on Nov 4, 2010 21:42:26 GMT -4
Interesting!  What you in the UK call a "Bullhead" looks most like what we in the States would call a Sculpin or possibly a Goby. Here a Bullhead is a small member of the catfish family. What you guys call a "Bream" somewhat resembles a lake Whitefish over here. Here we refer to members of the sunfish family, most often Bluegills, as Bream. Interesting -  |
|
|
|
Post by Tom on Nov 5, 2010 14:58:30 GMT -4
Interesting! What you in the UK call a "Bullhead" looks most like what we in the States would call a Sculpin or possibly a Goby. Here a Bullhead is a small member of the catfish family. What you guys call a "Bream" somewhat resembles a lake Whitefish over here. Here we refer to members of the sunfish family, most often Bluegills, as Bream. Interesting - Yeh, i think the bullhead and sculpin might be the same species, just called different things around the globe. Over here, absolutely nobody calls pike a northern pike, they are just known simply as pike. Small pike are known as jacks (jack pike), is that term used in the states or is it just here? Anyway, i read that the Storm sculpin lure is the best around for zander (which love bullheads), but i thought that sculpin was just the name of the lure, i didn't realise it was a species of fish. As for bream, i don't think they are in any way related to panfish, they are a fish that is quite highly prized by some people over here, especially match men, in ireland there are shoals of bream the size of football pitches, loads of people go over there to catch them. Bream can also grow reasonably large, i have seen a guy catch a couple of fish about 10lb, i know 1 of them was 9lb something, but i don't fish for them, they are caught on light carp tactics, which bores me just a little, they do not fight at all well, and personally, i don't like the look of the fish, but thats just me. I (as you probably know) fish about 90% for pike, but occasionally i fish for: carp (a fish i love, and they fight very hard, but i am not particularly fond of the way they are fished for), chub (a lovely hard fighting fish that can also be caught on lures and deadbait) Perch (my favourite fish, can also be caught on small lures and livebait) Tench (a hard fighting fish that is a lovely dark olive green colour) At the moment, i am trying to catch my first barbel, pound for pound, the hardest fighting fish in the country, with maybe the exception of the salmon, and occasionally i try and catch a wels catfish, THE hardest fighting fish in the country, though not pound for pound (these things grow frikin' HUGE). tackle for these is stupid, size 1/2 shark hooks, 100lb+ hooklinks, 50lb mainline, and 3 25mm halibut pellets as bait  |
|
|
|
Post by rocfish on Nov 6, 2010 11:37:03 GMT -4
I think I have heard small pike referred to as "jacks" by some here in the States, but more often I hear them referred to as "hammer-handles". We do have a seperate pike species that doesn't attain great size called a Pickerel. Do you have the same? And I agree, your Bream is in no way in the Sunfish family, it must be a simple case of difference in terminology. I'm a Largemouth Bass fisherman at heart, but enjoy catching anything that will bight my line, so I have caught my share of Pike, Perch, and such. I tend to fish artificials only, but the most commonly sold baitfish in my Midwest part of the country would probably have to be the Fat-Head Minnow, which is already fairly well represented by Rapala in any black and silver lure with a little red on its nose. It's been great sharing perspective with someone from accross the "Pond" though!  |
|
|
|
Post by Tom on Nov 7, 2010 13:23:26 GMT -4
No, we don't have other species of esox, although in some books it does show the whole esox family under pike. As for "hammer handles", i'm afraid i have never even heard that phrase before lol. I fish mainly for pike, but i too will occasionally fish for loads of other fish, although for most of them you are wasting your time with lures, and are far better off bait fishing (pretty much everyone does it here). The only fish i have ever caught on lures are pike, perch, chub, and i once caught 2 rainbow trout on a fly. I have only ever caught 1 of each of both chub and perch on lures, but in fairness, once i get a tiny lure like the CD01, i will be raking perch in...
Interesting though, but the chub i did catch on a lure was taken on a storm wildeye 6 inch roach, which might not sound amazing to you, but that is a HUGE lure for a chub (my perch was on a rapala F07 S). I have also caught a perch on a deadbait, sadly most of the tackle was packed away in the van, and i couldn't weigh or photograph it, but me, my dad, and 2 other people fishing beside us all agreed it was around 3lb, probably the best catch of my life. I have also caught a chub on a deadbait, and my dad caught one that came off near the net, and i caught it about 30 seconds later on a halibut pellet, it weighed 5lb 8oz, my PB chub, and a real specimen.
|
|
|
|
Post by keesvanderlaak on Jan 13, 2011 12:56:17 GMT -4
Roach is commonly used here but since using living baitfish is prohibited in the Netherlands I use mostly deepfrozen Mackerel or Red Poon.
|
|
|
|
Post by beka on Jan 27, 2011 14:00:47 GMT -4
in italy (i talk about giant catfish only) we use: - eel - chub - barble - carp  |
|
|
|
Post by keesvanderlaak on Feb 4, 2011 19:51:59 GMT -4
in italy (i talk about giant catfish only) we use: - barble - carp  WTF dude!! be happy to live in Italy!! In the Netherlands we have lots, I mean LOTS of fanatic carp fishermen!! they would beat you up for using carp as bait  ! They are allready beating up people who doesnt use an unhooking mat.. just inmagine what they would do to you when you use carp as bait |
|
|
|
Post by Tom on Feb 5, 2011 10:46:28 GMT -4
Yeh, its the same here Kees. I laughed out load about the thing about the landing mat. It is even worse in that respect for pike fishing over here, but for good reason. You have to be very careful with pike, or they will die. Carp are usually quite tough, and people go over the top caring for them. In my view its better to unhook the fish and get it back in the water quickly than faff about with mouth treatment and other stuff, meaning the fish is out of the water for much longer. Besides, that mouth treatment stuff washes off as soon as the carp goes back in the water anyway.
|
|
|
|
Post by keesvanderlaak on Feb 6, 2011 15:01:41 GMT -4
Today I had someone with me that had to be told how to unhook properly. It's painfull to see some guys damage fish because they just dont know how to act.
|
|
|
|
Post by Tom on Feb 6, 2011 15:07:32 GMT -4
You can't blame him though. I was the same when i first started. It makes me feel guilty, i probably killed a few pike, but i can now unhook pike in my sleep, and the way i learned to do this? Practice. Over the years i became more efficient, and now i can teach other people how to unhook pike. If i were honest, it was mostly because i didn't know how to chin a pike properly, and also because (dare i say it) well, i guess i was a little scared of the pike. I know you can say well you shouldn't fish for pike if you can't handle them, but its the only way you're going to learn...
|
|
|
|
Post by keesvanderlaak on Feb 6, 2011 15:10:42 GMT -4
Yes, I had to learn it too one day,... It is a good thing to take an unexperienced guy along for a day, they learn and have more succes in there future and you can teach em how to handle a fish properly. So both the neyby angler and the fish are helped, its a win win situation  |
|
|
|
Post by Tom on Feb 6, 2011 15:15:03 GMT -4
you see, i never had the chance to go with anyone experienced, so i learned myself. My dad usually comes with me, but he wasn't experienced either. I still unhook all his pike for him.
|
|
|
|
Post by keesvanderlaak on Feb 6, 2011 15:19:34 GMT -4
I never had an experienced pikefisher to teach me too.. So I have learned myself too.
|
|
