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Post by ospreynn on Sept 22, 2011 17:21:21 GMT -4
Hi, I'm starting to like more and more musky fishing.... but most of my fishing gear is for bass. Most of my reels are shimano citicas and sedonas. I've use some gliding raps, super shad raps and jointed x-raps in the past with my reels, but it just feels like I will break something. I'm using P-line braid in 50lbs, with a steel leader..... Is it a good idea to used those reels with such big lures. I honestly feel like I will break my line while casting....
Also, I'm not sure how tight the drag should be set, and honestly how to set the hook. Most of the fish that I've caught have been on F-18, but they have 3 trebles....
Also, what kind of rod should I be using? I was thinking in getting a shimano cardiff for musky fishing!!
Any ideas/suggestiong will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
osprey
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Post by keesvanderlaak on Sept 22, 2011 18:26:30 GMT -4
whenever I think that big musky's are on the spot I always change to inline bucktails that I make my own.
In my opinion the big fish know the deal and are not expecting my lure cause they might have never seen a lure like it.
just my 2 cents..
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Post by nathanha on Sept 22, 2011 19:46:18 GMT -4
If you think you might want to musky fish. I would suggest that you just go out and purchase an abu 6500 and a Heavy or Xtra Heavy rod about 7ft. I wouldnt break the bank on the rod I'm sure that you can find something from cabelas to foot the bill or somone else for a low cost. Then toss what everyone you want for lures the super shadrap ect. I guess I have always had great luck with a giant killer mepps tandum hook bucktail. lots of options I'm sure if you start and and hook big fish you end up buying more lures then you will ever need.
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Post by casey10 on Sept 23, 2011 4:54:08 GMT -4
If u look under "fishin and bragging board" the thread "ssr comes thru"", that fish was caught on an SSR14 hot tiger and a 28" and 38" muskie also. I use a Shimano compre musky rod, 7' med heavy and 80lb power pro braid line. I recommend at least 80lb braid if u do a lot of casting. If u get a backlash with 50 lb u can normally watch your $30 lure go sailing off into the sunset, never to be seen again. I have 4 Abu Garcia baitcasters, 3 6500,s and 1 5600.
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Post by roeroeyerboat on Sept 23, 2011 5:50:05 GMT -4
We don't have musky here but we do have pike, I doubt your bass rod is really up to the job of chucking out medium weight jerkbaits all day long. Rod choice you could either use a heavy class spinning rod (the heaviest glindin' rap weighs 72 grams) rated to say a 40 - 100 gram class rod would do you or you could get a jerkbait rod. Seen as you north Americans like using wee rods I'm guessing you'll be looking at getting a jerkbait rod. Weight class & rod length are entirely up to you but if your only planning on chucking out 72 gram lures I wouldn't go to heavy a rating. As with most spinning rods you want a rod that has a sensitive tip for bite detection and you should be looking at a rod that has a semi progressive action that will be able to absorb and let you control playing a fish of that size. Don't go picking something that is stiff as a poker, that will end up loosing you fish as it doesn't absorb shit. Reel wise you should be looking at one that has a big enough spool capacity for the diameter of line you intend to use (80lb rated line is a good call). It should also have a big enough gear ratio to handle the power and rate of retrieve of lures of that size. As for your clutch/drag setting it isn't to important as it's easy enough adjusted as your playing a fish. A general rule of thumb used to be that if you were using 6 lb rated line you would set your clutch to pay out line at 2 lb. Now most folk are not anorakish enough that there going to go to the extremes or hassle of checking this. They will set the drag just by what feels right to them, always aim to set your drag slacker than what you would when using a mono line as there is next to no stretch in the braid and you should be fine. Sorry for the long winded response  |
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Post by 90collector on Sept 23, 2011 8:29:57 GMT -4
Definitely use a very stiff rod so you can set the hook! And 80lb braid is a good idea, I would never use any less for Musky. As far as a real, Abu Garcia is a good choice
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Post by ospreynn on Sept 27, 2011 18:15:14 GMT -4
Thank you guys, I really appreciate details.... I will then go for 80lbs braid, any suggestions (brands and colors)? I really like P-Line, but I don't use braid that often. I also wonder if you tie your braid directly to the steel leader or if you use some heavy mono between the braid and the wire. We don't have a lot of wire leaders around here since we only have two small lakes in the entire state stocked with tiger muskies, which by the way are just getting to the 43" mark. That is also a reason why I only used my bass gear until now. So, I will have to order my steel leader online, any ideas on brands, length, color and strength I should be using?
I will definetely get me a nice reel and rod for that before spring. I haven't decided which brand yet.........
osprey
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Post by roeroeyerboat on Sept 28, 2011 5:31:16 GMT -4
Attach the leader swivel direct to your mainline, brands to look for - fox rage, spro, Berkley. Look for a leader that is a minimum of 18cm in length in-case the musky completely inhales the lure. Breaking strain of wire is up to you, type of wire (steel, titanium) again is entirely up to yourself but the titanium ones tend to last longer & kink less.
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Post by fishing_in_israel on Sept 28, 2011 6:05:17 GMT -4
Thank you guys, I really appreciate details.... I will then go for 80lbs braid, any suggestions (brands and colors)? I really like P-Line, but I don't use braid that often. I also wonder if you tie your braid directly to the steel leader or if you use some heavy mono between the braid and the wire. We don't have a lot of wire leaders around here since we only have two small lakes in the entire state stocked with tiger muskies, which by the way are just getting to the 43" mark. That is also a reason why I only used my bass gear until now. So, I will have to order my steel leader online, any ideas on brands, length, color and strength I should be using? I will definetely get me a nice reel and rod for that before spring. I haven't decided which brand yet......... osprey I just got some AWF Surflon Micro Supreme from eBay and it is awesome stuff -- 7x7 (49 strands of stainless steel wire, covered in nylon). You can tie regular knots with it and it is soooo supple - you would think it was fluorocarbon or even nylon. Here's a link: AWF SurflonThere doesn't seem to be any of the Micro Supreme on aBay at the moment but have look from time to time or buy direct from a tackle shop. Nigel |
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Post by 90collector on Sept 28, 2011 13:20:14 GMT -4
I prefer Spiderwire stealth in green, it has virtually no memory and seems to be very strong. Whatever you do STAY AWAY FROM POWER PRO RED! The red color comes off the line and stains the cork on your rod into a red color, and also stains boat carpet.
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Post by ospreynn on Oct 3, 2011 23:14:59 GMT -4
Thanks guys. I'll see what I can find online. As I mentioned before, it is hard to get steel leaders around here other than eagle claw stuff. So muskies don't care much about line color/size.... bass are impossible to catch around here if you use braid.....
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Post by casey10 on Oct 4, 2011 12:21:43 GMT -4
I would say ,in our muskie club, 98% of members use florocarbon leaders for every thing, except several use wire leaders on jerk baits because of the extra forces applied. The floro leaders are normally 80-100lb test
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Post by ospreynn on Oct 7, 2011 20:17:17 GMT -4
I was using 50lbs fluoro before, but I got discouraged by most people here on the forum. 80-100 lbs will be the closest thing to a steel wire...... can you bend that thing. Also, how do you tie a knot to the braid and to the lure.
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Post by casey10 on Oct 13, 2011 19:12:01 GMT -4
We have a couple of members who make them for sale or buy them elsewhere all made up in various lengths with swivels attached for tying on your line or lure.
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Post by happyshad on Oct 14, 2011 7:15:56 GMT -4
Hello Osprey! Lots of good advice from all above! Definitely agree with going with an Abu-Garcia 6500 and spooling it with 80 lb Spider Wire Stealth - also highly agree with the 80 to 100 pound Fluro leaders. Rods? Try a St. Croix Mojo Musky MM72MHF for lures 3 ounces and under- The Rod will work for some of your heavier bass aps. Lures? Kees nailed it with my first choice that I fish 80% of the time - Inline Bucktails - I use 3 colors: black, black or black! - you can add a big power grub on the back of these to change the color schemes. Have also caught them on SSR14's and one of my longest musky came on an SR5 Walleye! One of the best Musky/Sporting goods stores in existence would be Thorne Bros out of the Twin Cities. Any one of their staff can answer a lot of your questions as well as find the right equipment for you! Also - I would check into hiring a good Musky guide - maybe come to Minnesota and hunt down both musky and old rapalas!  Best of luck - hope you score a big one!!! |
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